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To your point, I recently purchased 1 ounce of T. magnatum for ~$400 CAD through a high end Italian grocery chain in Toronto that had purchased through Urbani. However, when I asked the seller if it was T. magnum they looked very confused and shrugged – they did not know about the different species.
I am probably reading too much into this, but I think it is a sign that North Americans are relatively new to truffles and don’t know (or care) about the different species and their hierarchal nature (T. mag being the most esteemed, followed by T. Mel.) This could be a great opportunity to grow and market species that will thrive in North American climates and soils, instead of trying to change our environments to accommodate European species. It might make life easier for the truffle farmer and more profitable.
Rowan’s talk certainly made me rethink and appreciate diverse truffle species more. I also wonder if the days of T.mel and T. mag being the main marketed truffle species are limited.
::Fabrice, I really appreciate your reply. I also wonder if there are any food distribution companies that might be interested. That way you don’t have a lot of small buyers, but instead have some larger customers. I know some restaurants near me buy from a company called MGM truffles. Just a thought.
If anyone else had some experience acquiring customers I would love to hear your story. Thanks!
::Simon, I am just seeing your post now. I appreciate you sharing your experience and advice. It sounds like social media may be a great way to engage with individual “foodies”. Obviously having individuals to continue purchasing truffles while restaurants cannot helps. Again, relationships seem to be the common thread in everyones response. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
July 20, 2021 at 8:04 pm in reply to: Help with irrigation, yield, and price for business plan #5459::Thanks for the help Fabrice. I know that in her talk Olivia said the wholesale price is essentially 50% of retail, and I have assumed that the majority of sales would be wholesale. While this may or may not be true depending on how the business pans out, the 50% discount on retail price may be enough to cover the fact that most of the truffles sold will be lower than premium grade.
Really appreciate your response. I have also viewed the financial model you posted in another thread and it has helped me a lot. When I am finished with mine, I will definitely post it so that others can hopefully benefit from it.
::Hello Fabrice, I am sharing a version of the financial model I used for my business submission. In a prior post I said I would, and I want to be good to my word. To provide some context, it is for a proposal in Ontario, Canada for a new farm (no prior land owned). I set the model to use the T. mel pricing data, as this seems to be the most common truffle people want to grow.
My model used many sources, some of which I chose to exclude, so there are some blanks in cells that would normally contain notes and references. If anyone is interested in these references I may be able to share them privately. But, Fabrice, I reference your model and some of the webinar presenters in this. If anyone has an issue with being referenced in this, please let me know and I will gladly remove your name and other related info.
I cannot guarantee the accuracy of the information I presented. But, I did a lot of research and tried my best to be as accurate and thorough as possible.
If there are any issue with opening it please let me know.
Lastly, this model tries to be very hard with the costs. You must make your own judgement on whether or not the costs are realistic or not. Of particular importance, I think some agriculture banks may let you do an interest only payment period, so that should definitely be explored. The model also assumes you sell exclusively wholesale at a 50% discount to retail rate.
Thank you.
::Thanks Fabrice. All the info you just gave is really useful and could help improve the model.
- As you can see, the model I posted tried to follow the schedule proposed by Olivia Taylor in a recent webinar, which was to replant the orchard in segments in order to renew it. For simplicity, I chose to ignore the fact that you would likely also replant trees that did not survive.
- The start of production occurring in year 5 may not be realistic, but with the general data on truffieres including mismanaged/neglected farms, I thought it may be okay to suggest year 5 as a start of production date. Also, it seems like there is no real way to forecast this, so I based it off of some data from farms nearest to me. But, I agree that 5 years is optimistic, and that anyone should be prepared to see production start later.
- My thought was not to reinoculate, but to just replant with new trees every 20ish years. I did not come by much data on the costs of spanish wells, so if anyone has any insight on that it would be appreciated.
- You are totally right, I did not include the cost of the dogs!
Lastly, the model does imply that DNA testing of all trees occurs. This is not necessary for most truffle species, as DNA testing of a sample of trees is fine. But, if someone were to try and plant T. magnatum, DNA testing of every single tree would be necessary.
Appreciate the feedback and insight Fabrice. It all helps.
::Hey Laura, I agree with Fabrice. I am not sure where in Canada you are located, but it seems that the most supply of Canadian grown black truffles occurs on the West coast in BC. You could reach out to some of the truffieres there since you have a good idea they would be fresh. I cannot recommend anyone in particular though.
I am also in Canada (southern Ontario) with a similar goal to yours. Please keep the membership aware of your progress towards your goal of establishing a truffiere and I will do the same. From my experience, there is a general unwillingness to share ideas amongst many truffle farmers, which I think hurts everyone. Trying to get a foot into truffle farming can sometimes feel like a lonely experience, especially when you sit down with a banker that thinks the idea of truffles is insane!
Good luck with everything!
::Hey Ruth, I am in Hamilton, ON and created a business plan last year for FCC, our agricultural bank. Ultimately, I decided to not pursue truffles at this moment for various reasons, mainly the cost of land is too high right now for me. Please send me an email and maybe we could talk on the phone and share info. My email is zablockimichael@gmail.com.
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Fran Angerer
What was the outcome of this grant?
Staci O'Toole
Hi Fran.
If you click on the title it will take you to the details regarding the grant and it’s outcome.
The Primaries were Jeannine Davis and Inga Meadows. Although the research task force was not established yet there is quite a bit of information and details. If I remember correctly it helped establish their lab at NC State
Paul Beckman
Extremely well done. One of the issues that is confusing is that when Mark and I took soil samples on my Bianchette orchard. Both years the soil probe went through mature truffles in November. 100 percent truffle present. My guess is that soil samples should only be done in June This was caused by funding limitations at the time that affected our schedule.. Another area that needs to be explored is the multiple tubers in one sample. We were trying to get Western Labs Parma Idaho to develop this but timing didn’t work out. They can test for 6 nematode types in each sample. Only needs a tablespoon of soil. Seemed like reasonable way to test a lot of orchards.
Fabrice Caporal
A nice problem to have, too many truffles!
Alex Poole
Great overview
Holly Martin
Would have been nice to have an end time on Sunday for booking travel
Jeffrey Coker
1. This proposal is almost verbatim the UNECE Standard FFV-53 with some added (somewhat complicating) language about the percentages of classes that can be exposed by trimming and a couple of other things. Why not just endorse the UNECE standards and prevent the confusion of having yet another set of standards? [In our case at Burwell Farms, we are also being inspected by the state of NC and following both state and USDA food safety and packaging rules.]
2. The stated purpose of the proposal is to “standardize the quality requirements for use of the NATGA logo”. Is logo use currently a problem? Are we talking about use of the NATGA logo only on food packaging, or also on grower websites? If a grower chooses not to use NATGA’s class system, then should they remove the NATGA logo from all their materials?
Holly Martin
Species: Since both T. Gibbosum and T. Oregonense are described as Oregon White Truffle, it might be useful to include seasonal designation, i.e. Oregon White Truffle (Spring) for T. Gibbosum and Oregon White Truffle (Winter) for T. Oregonense.
II.C (iv): This is just a drafting suggestion. I found the second sentence, as organized, a little hard to follow. My suggested text has all the same information, just reorganized: Provided the truffles retain their essential characteristics as regards the quality, the keep quality and presentation, the following defects may be allowed: defects in shape, defects in development, defects in coloring, superficial bruising, and slight superficial damages caused by pests.
Over all, nice job and thanks for all the good work!
Karen Passafaro
I would add a few pictures of what you are recommending with packaging and labels
Fabrice Caporal
I like the Identification requirement. Now do those classification apply to a member of NATGA importing and reselling truffles? What then should be done with identification?
Fabrice Caporal
I never heard of the Icon class, interesting
Fabrice Caporal
Weight and shape characterizations do not apply uniformly across species. It looks like the document is centered around T. melanosporum. It would be a great challenge to find a 300g oregon truffle… another example is that Tuber magnatum is rarely round.
Fabrice Caporal
In Definition of Produce we say “species of the the genus Tuber” yet in the list of truffles below we proceed to include Oregon truffles which are not of the Tuber genus. I would be in favor of changing the definition of truffle to say what is in Wikipedia:
Or if we want to be less scientific we could say:
Fabrice Caporal
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Fabrice Caporal
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Bryan Denig
Such a great webinar from Christine. I am very appreciative that the webinar recordings are being posted for those of us who are interested but unable to attend live. Looking forward to the others!
Raymond and Bernadine Prince
please put Raymond on your list of participants for the Webinar
Fabrice Caporal
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Fabrice Caporal
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